NWC Speaks on the Intelligence Whistleblower in the News
On August 12th, an anonymous whistleblower complaint regarding a telephone call with President Trump and a foreign official was filed with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community who found a “credible concern” with the complaint.
National Whistleblower Center executive director, John Kostyack, and co-founders, David Colapinto and Stephen Kohn, have weighed in on the debate surrounding the intelligence whistleblower’s complaint as they spoke on the status of whistleblower protections in the United States and the future of whistleblowing across various news publications.
Read the interviews, articles, and news pieces where NWC features:
National Law Review: Attacks on Ukraine Whistleblower Negatively Affect Federal Employees’ Perception of Safety” from Stephen M. Kohn on January 16, 2020.
A bipartisan survey conducted by Government Business Council, the research branch of Government Executive, polled 691 federal government employees on how the impeachment has affected their careers.
In order to safeguard our public institutions, we need to protect the number one detector of wrongdoing: the whistleblower.
National Law Review: Setting the Record Straight on Legal Protections for the Ukraine Whistleblower: “No One Volunteers for the Role of Social Pariah” from Stephen M. Kohn on December 31, 2019
Ever since news broke that a whistleblower had filed the “urgent concern” alleging misconduct in a phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky controversy has surrounded the rights of the whistleblower and whether his or her identity should be confidential. This debate has intensified after President Trump retweeted an article that identified the whistleblower by name. As an attorney who successfully sued the Clinton administration regarding the privacy rights of employees who accused President Clinton of impeachable offenses would like to clarify certain issues.
Will justice sleep forever? This issue is now in the hands of Congress. In November it will be in the hands of the American people.
Federal News Network: What risks do whistleblowers take at federal agencies? from the Tim Temin Federal Drive on January 2, 2020.
The identity of the whistleblower that led to the impeachment proceedings has been kept secret all along. But is that kosher? Don’t whistleblowers subject themselves to retaliation because the bosses know who they are? To help sort out the facts about whistleblowing, attorney Stephen Kohn of Kohn, Kohn & Colapinto, joined Federal Drive with Tom Temin.
Washington Times: A year in tweets: Provocations prod Trump to set personal records from Dave Boyer on December 30, 2019
The National Whistleblower Center said it was the first time Mr. Trump had posted anything on his Twitter timeline that named the alleged whistleblower, although son Donald Trump Jr.tweeted the name last month.
“These threats to the personal safety and livelihoods of whistleblowers emanating from the president and his allies are unprecedented and pose a serious threat to our democracy,” said John Kostyack, executive director of the whistleblower center.
Cheddar: President Trump Retweets Link Naming Alleged CIA Whistleblower from Cheddar on December 30, 2019
President Trump may have unmasked the intelligence officer who set the impeachment process against him in motion. Trump retweeted a tweet that allegedly contains the name of the CIA whistleblower who raised concerns Trump’s phone call with the Ukranian president. While it is not illegal for the president to oust the whistle blower’s identity, there are federal protections to keep a whistleblower anonymous and safe. John Kostyack, Executive Director at the National Whistleblower Center, joined Cheddar to discuss.
International Business Times: Donald Trump criticised after sharing tweet naming whistleblower from IANS on December 29, 2019.
In response to his retweet on Saturday, attorney Stephen Kohn, an expert in whistleblower protection laws, told the Washington Post that the President was violating his duty to safeguard whistleblowers.
“The paradox is that it was the president’s duty to protect this person,” the BBC quoted Kohn as saying to the Post. “It’s inconceivable that he not only doesn’t do it but violates it.”
Washington Post: Trump retweets a post naming the alleged whistleblower from Colby Itkowitz on December 28, 2019.
“The paradox is that it was the president’s duty to protect this person,” Kohn said. “It’s inconceivable that he not only doesn’t do it, but violates it.”
National Law Review: Who Must Protect the Ukraine-Trump Whistleblower? from Stephen M. Kohn on December 27, 2019.
As the impeachment proceedings heat-up, and calls for the Ukraine whistleblower to be identified increase, there remains a fundamental question: Who has the legal responsibility to protect this whistleblower? The answer will surprise you!
When Donald Trump signed onto the job of President, protecting intelligence community whistleblowers became one of his few mandatory job duties. Like other employees who work for the taxpayers, he many not like all of his required jobs. Like other employees he may find some parts of his job difficult or distasteful. But he has no discretion in this matter. It is a requirement. He must ensure that the whistleblower is not retaliated against, that the whistleblower’s identity remains confidential, and that the whistleblower can continue in his or her career, free from stigma. He must hold those who retaliate accountable. That is part of the job he wanted. That is the job he must perform.
Inquisitr: After Report Of Threats Against Ukraine Whistleblower, Donald Trump Retweets Post Linking To Alleged Name from Jonathan Vankin on December 26, 2019.
Under federal law, whistleblowers are entitled to “have their identity kept confidential and are protected against reprisals by others in the executive branch,” according to the National Whistleblower Center.
But Trump has repeatedly called for the informant’s identity to be revealed both in statements to the press and on Twitter.
The president is “very likely violating laws prohibiting intimidation of witnesses and reprisals against whistleblowers,” NWC Executive Director John Kostyack said in a statement.
TRT World: Blowing the Whistle | Bigger Than Five from TRT World’s segment Bigger Than Five with Ghida Fahrky on December 18, 2019.
Stephen Kohn appeared on TRT World’s segment “Blowing the Whistle | Bigger Than Five” with Ghida Fahkry to discuss whistleblower protections in the U.S. and their international application.
To jump directly to Stephen Kohn’s appearance, watch here.
The Hill: Can the whistleblower’s reputation survive President Trump’s impeachment defense? from Stephen Kohn, Michael Kohn, and David Colapinto on December 17, 2019.
Now that the impeachment train has left the station, can the whistleblower’s reputation survive the furious negative twitter campaign that the president is sure to lead? The impeachment report published by the House Intelligence Committee highlighted some of the president’s prior attacks on the whistleblower, labeling them as “threats” designed to create a “chilling” effect on witnesses. But now that the impeachment case is clearly headed to a Senate trial, what will become of the whistleblower?
Joy Edwards, the defendant in the U.S. v. Edwards case received a severe life-changing penalty for her posts on social media. Is there equal justice under the law? Or, are the most powerful people afforded a “get out of jail free” card based on their status, money or position?
TIME: By Speaking Out, the Whistleblower Joins the Long Line of Dissenters That Have Defined America” from Abby Vesoulis with reporting from Tessa Berenson on December 12, 2019.
The resolution was a critical moment in American history. “It establishes that, at least in this country, the idea of confronting law breakers is something that everyone is encouraged to do, no matter what your station,” says John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center. “And at the time, that’s a fairly radical notion.”
But despite these layers of legal protections, unveiling potential corruption is neither safe nor easy—especially when the person you’re blowing the whistle on is the most powerful political figure in the world. “This is a real test for our entire system of whistleblower protection,” argues Kostyack, from the National Whistleblower Center. “The president and his allies are not just attacking these individual whistleblowers, but also implicitly challenging the notion of an ability to file a confidential disclosure.”
Time: Guardians of the Year, The Public Servants from Massimo Calabresi, Vera Bergengruen, and Simon Shuster on December 11, 2019.
Afterward, the U.S. government attempted to increase the penalties for those who leaked classified documents directly to the public—while also increasing protections for those who play by the rules. “That’s what’s so significant about the Ukrainian case,” says whistle-blower attorney Stephen Kohn. “Congress specifically said, If you want to be protected under this law, you raise your concerns this way.”
The Hill: The Trump-Ukraine whistleblower has a statutory right to confidentiality: it’s the law from Stephen M. Kohn and David K. Colapinto on November 24, 2019.
The goal of unmasking the whistleblower is good old-fashioned retaliation. “Shoot the messenger.” Destroy the whistleblower’s career. Intimidate other witnesses from stepping forward. The good news is that Congress figured out these ill-motives years ago, and outlawed them. It’s the law.
The Washington Post: Trump wants the whistleblower revealed. Others push for more protection. from Joe Davidson on November 22, 2019
There are laws protecting whistleblowers against retaliation, but “the ability to enforce these laws is very weak,” said Stephen M. Kohn, a lawyer who has represented them for 35 years and a co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center.
The Ukraine whistleblower reportedly is an employee of the CIA, which is part of the intelligence community. Intelligence staffers have different whistleblower protections than other federal workers. Most feds can seek retaliation protection from the Merit Board and the Office of Special Counsel. Intelligence whistleblower don’t have those options, Kohn explained, adding that they “are dependent on the president to protect their rights.”
The Charlotte Observer: Bishop is first lawmaker to name whistleblower who sparked Trump impeachment hearings from Jim Morrill on November 13, 2019
“This is really far outside the mainstream to be in the business of outing a whistleblower,” said John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center. “To our knowledge he’s the only member of Congress (to do so). We’re trying to get everybody to cool down and remind everybody that protecting whistleblowers is a bi-partisan tradition.”
WFAE: Rep. Dan Bishop Offers Name of Ukraine Whistleblower On Social Media from Steve Harrison on November 12, 2019
David Colapinto is an attorney with The National Whistleblowers Center in Washington D.C., which provides legal assistance to whistleblowers – although it’s not representing the person at the center of the Ukraine investigation.
He said he hasn’t see another member of Congress go as far as Bishop, in putting out a name of whom they believe the whistleblower is.
“I think that (Republican Kentucky Senator) Rand Paul came close to doing it, and said he might do it, but I haven’t seen anyone else,” he said.
Colapinto said that he believes Bishop’s post was meant to discredit the whistleblower – and to silence other people from coming forward.
“This is a very dangerous process, and it’s a game that could be very, very dangerous that could end up in physical harm,” he said. “It should end immediately.”
ABC News: Whistleblowers 101: Why keep their identities secret? from Stephanie Ebbs on November 12, 2019
In the most basic sense, whistleblowers are people who become aware of corruption or other wrongdoing and take steps to do something about, John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center told ABC News.
In the context of the federal government, whistleblowers are government employees or officials who raise concerns about waste of government resources, abuse of power, fraud, or threats to public health, safety, or national security. In most cases they’ve followed a process to report their concerns officially to superiors in their government agency or an independent watchdog like an inspector general.
Why do whistleblowers have special protections?
Whistleblowers can serve an important function in improving organizations, eliminating corruption, and limiting government waste of taxpayer resources. Kostyack said there’s always been concern that individuals who report misconduct could face retaliation from people involved in that misconduct or who don’t want it to become public.
He said the resolution that’s considered the first whistleblower protection law was adopted by the Continental Congress in 1778 after sailors that reported suspected war crimes by a Navy commander were thrown in jail.
“The core idea is that we need whistleblowers if we want to enforce the laws that we’ve passed and essentially have a democracy,” he said, adding that the first whistleblower law “was framed as a legal duty and also a patriotic duty from the beginning and from the last 200 plus years we have had a bipartisan consensus that whistleblowers need that kind of protection.”
“It really does seem to be such an unnecessary burden and unfair to these whistleblowers who have every right to expect confidentiality to suddenly change the rules of the game,” Kostyack said.
Fox News Rundown: The Fate of Dreamers: SCOTUS Takes on DACA from Fox News Radio on November 12, 2019
NWC’s General Counsel, David Colapinto, appeared on the Fox News Rundown podcast to discuss whether the whistleblowers should be publicly identified.
WILK Newsradio: John Kostyack, Executive Director of the National Whistleblower Center on the Jason Barsky Show. November 11, 2019 from Jason Barsky on November 11, 2019
The Washington Post: Despite Trump’s taunting and harassment, whistleblowers remain undaunted from Joe Davidson on November 9, 2019
“There are very few laws for which the President, as part of his mandatory job duties, must perform,” Stephen M. Kohn, a whistleblower rights attorney and chairman of the National Whistleblower Center, said by email. “Protecting intelligence community whistleblowers is one of them. President Trump is not only prohibited from retaliating against the whistleblower, he has the duty [original emphasis] to protect the whistleblower.”
Vox: The whistleblower’s lawyer says attacking him is illegal as Trump’s attacks continue from Riley Beggin on November 9, 2019.
That process, David Colapinto, a founding attorney of the National Whistleblower Center, told Zhou, is often full of conflicts of interest and gatekeepers without accountability. “The enforcement mechanisms for intelligence community employees are weak,” Colapinto said. “The process is entirely internal to the intelligence community and there is no public transparency of this process.”
The Guardian: Trump’s attacks on whistleblower could do lasting damage to system, experts say from Victoria Bekiempis on November 8, 2019
“Anti-reprisal is sort of the core concept that’s across many of these provisions,” explained John Kostyack, the National Whistleblower Center’s executive director, saying an underlying principle “is the idea of anonymity or confidentiality”.
But the provisions that should protect intelligence whistleblowers “are general and subject to multiple interpretations”, the center notes. The inspector general is mostly barred from releasing a whistleblower’s name but other government officials are not explicitly prohibited from doing so. These federal laws also only govern federal employees’ treatment of whistleblowers. The media and private persons are not barred from revealing whistleblowers’ names, though news organizations overwhelmingly refrain from doing so.
If revealing a whistleblower’s identity is a form of retaliation, however, then there are “serious legal problems” for people who do name them.
“Considering all of the threats that are being made against the whistleblower,” Kostyack said, “naming the whistleblower is a form of reprisal.”
CNN: CNN Newsroom with Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto from CNN on November 7, 2019.
National Whistleblower Center co-founder, Michael Kohn, appeared on CNN’s Newsroom with Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto to discuss whistleblower protections and the right to anonymity.
Associated Press: Trump attacks whistleblower anonymity, but won’t utter name from Mark Sherman and Jonathan Lemire on November 6, 2019.
Stephen Kohn, the chairman of the board of the National Whistleblower Center, said it’s troubling that prospects for protecting the whistleblower really depend on Trump.
“The only guarantee here is to hope the president does his job” and prevents retaliation against him in the first place, Kohn said.
KDKA Newsradio: John Kostyack – Executive Director of the National Whistleblower Center” from Lynne Hayes-Freeland on November 6, 2019.
NWC Executive Director, John Kostyack, joined KDKA’s Lynne Hayes-Freeland to discuss whistleblowers and the formal process of how their information is handled once they come forward.
Vox: “3 expert explain why whistleblowers in the intelligence community are especially vulnerable” from Li Zhou on November 6, 2019.
“Traditionally, the intelligence community — including agencies such as the CIA and NSA — have been hostile to any outside oversight and they operate in secrecy,” David Colapinto, a founding attorney of the National Whistleblower Legal Defense Fund, tells Vox. “These agencies have viewed whistleblowing as risking the disclosure of classified information.”
Because of how sensitive the workings of the intelligence community are, the process for raising a retaliation complaint is incredibly opaque.
“The enforcement mechanisms for intelligence community employees are weak, the process is entirely internal to the intelligence community and there is no public transparency of this process,” says Colapinto.
There’s also the possibility of a potentially awkward conflict of interest, when the superiors who are instigating the retaliation, whether that’s a firing or demotion, are also involved in determining if it qualifies as an overreach in response to the whistleblower’s actions.
“It is … riddled with a huge conflict because the head of the agency that takes the retaliation ultimately gets to decide the whistleblower’s retaliation case,” Colapinto emphasizes.
NPR: “Can Trump Legally Out The Whistleblower? Experts Say It Would Not Violate Any Laws” from Bobby Allyn on November 6, 2019.
One legal expert pushed back on the consensus view that identifying the whistleblower by itself is not a crime.
Stephen Kohn, a lawyer who has represented whistleblowers for more than 30 years and is the author of The New Whistleblower’s Handbook, points to a 2014 law that spells out intelligence community whistleblower protections.
Under the statute, an agency cannot launch a reprisal against an intelligence community whistleblower. The prohibition is to be enforced by the president, Kohn says. And so, he argues, Trump revealing the whistleblower, or allowing the individual’s name to come out, should be viewed as a type of reprisal.
“Disclosing the name of a whistleblower is perhaps one of the worst forms of retaliation,” Kohn said. “Trump’s obligations are not just to protect this whistleblower’s identity. It only begins there. The law says he has to ensure that nobody in the executive branch leaks out his name.”
Kohn said Trump could be subject to what’s called a writ of mandamus, a court order to a government official to properly carry out his or her official duties. While no president in 215 years has been subject to a mandamus, Kohn says it should be on the table.
“These questions go to the heart of democracy and the rule of law,” Kohn said. “This is an existential issue because you have the person with the legal responsibility to enforce and protect turning around and using that very authority to destroy.”
Fox News: “Debate continues over protections for Ukraine whistleblower” from Special Report with Bret Baier on November 5, 2019.
Board chairman and co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center, Stephen Kohn, appeared on a special report segment with Bret Baier. Kohn spoke on whistleblower protection laws and the duty of the President to protect this whistleblower.
Deadline: “Donald Trump & Allies Call For Media To Unmask Ukraine Whistleblower, But News Outlets Aren’t Biting” from Ted Johnson on November 5, 2019.
John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center, makes the case that media outlets recognize that whistleblowers are valuable sources for stories about public corruption and malfeasance — stories that otherwise may not get reported.
“It is not just in the interest of the press [to protect the identity], but of democracy,” he said.
In other countries, “the risks to a whistleblower go right to murder.” And in the present case, “we take this very seriously. There is certainly the risk of physical harm.”
CNN: “What Donald Trump and Rand Paul get totally wrong about whistleblowers” from Chris Cillizza on November 5, 2019.
Here’s how things typically work as explained to me recently by National Whistleblowers Center head John Kostyack: A whistleblower comes forward and files a formal complaint. The allegations made in that complaint serve as a starting point for the investigating agency — whether that the Securities and Exchanges Committee or, in this case, Congress.
The task of the investigators then is to run down and prove (or disprove) what’s in the whistleblower’s complaint.
CBSN: “What legal protections does the whistleblower have?” from ‘Red and Blue’ with Elaine Quijano on October 28, 2019.
Executive Director of the National Whistleblower Center, John Kostyack, spoke with CBS News’ Elaine Quijano on ‘Red and Blue’ about whistleblower protections, the right to confidentiality, & what may be next for the Ukraine whistleblowers.
The Washington Post: “Whistleblowers walk among us. Now one has gotten in Trump’s head.” from Dan Zak on October 27, 2019.
“This right preexists government itself,” says D.C. attorney Stephen M. Kohn, who has represented whistleblowers for 35 years. “You can’t have a government based on rule of law unless citizens can freely report potential violations of the rule of law.”
“To have major politicians threatening whistleblowers — we don’t have a precedent for that,” says John Kostyack, the center’s executive director. “It’s obviously very difficult to hold the president legally accountable, but there are people who are at risk of criminal sanctions” if they threaten or expose a whistleblower.
New York Times: “Government Watchdogs Demand Justice Dept. Withdraw Whistle-Blower Ruling” from Julian Barnes on October 25, 2019.
Until Mr. Engel wrote the memo, many experts did not think the Justice Department could second-guess the intelligence community’s inspector general, said John Kostyack, the executive director of the National Whistleblower Center.
If the Justice Department’s opinion remains in effect, he said, lawmakers may want to revisit the law and possibly strengthen the powers of inspectors general to report to Congress.
“Suddenly, all that is thrown into question,” Mr. Kostyack said. “The Justice Department didn’t show a lot of respect for the statutory role of the inspector general.”
MTV News: “Why We Should Try To Keep The Whistleblowers Anonymous” from Christianna Silva on October 22, 2019.
David Colapinto, a lawyer and one of the founders of the National Whistleblower Center, told MTV News that whistleblowers risk losing their careers, damaging their reputations, and even “bodily harm.”
CNN, The Point with Chris Cillizza: “Expert debunks myths about Trump whistleblowers” from CNN on October 19, 2019.
The National Whistleblower Center’s Executive Director, John Kostyack, appeared on CNN’s The Point with Chris Cillizza this weekend to debunk some whistleblower myths and discuss the whistleblowing process.
FORTUNE Magazine: “The National Whistleblower Center’s Executive Director on Trump’s Reactions to the Ukraine Call Leak” from Terry Collins on October 10, 2019.
The House (of Representatives) needs to hear from the whistleblower, and their identity deserves the full protection by the laws afforded to them. The whistleblower is fully cooperating. The whistleblower has complied with the law, and that’s what the intelligence community has said.
The belief that some laws may have been violated or if the president may have abused his authority are reasons the whistleblower, both whistleblowers are protected. They are exercising their rights under the umbrella of protection. Both whistleblowers have skilled attorneys with sympathetic ears, and we’re cautiously optimistic their identities will be kept under wraps. We hope that continues.
That’s opposite a longstanding, centuries-old whistleblower law from the founding of this country. Whistleblowers are needed. An environment has to be created where they are not punished. Unfortunately, there’s a long history where whistleblowers have been punished, threatened, their families have been threatened. We always advocate for real strong consequences if their protections are violated.
Fortunately, we have a bipartisan consensus, including from (Iowa GOP) Sen. Chuck Grassley, one of the architects of the whistleblower law, that we want whistleblowers to step forward, be heard and protected.
The heart of a whistleblower is they can’t stand to sit silent and let the abuse of the law go by, to call out any laws that have been violated. And, after all they have been through, after all the trauma and backlash, they almost all say uniformly they will do again because they have a strong sense of right and wrong.
Whistleblowers are also entitled to their anonymity. They should not be subjected to any direct or implied threats, and there should not be calls to have their identities exposed. There’s this growing mainstream view, however, to expose them now and send a message to all whistleblowers to intimidate them.
He’s feeling under attack. It’s like shooting the messenger. The president and his allies are trying to shift the attention on the whistleblower’s credibility and personally attacking this individual.
It’s one thing if they were testifying at trial, but they are not. We are not in a trial situation. They are giving investigative leads to both Republicans and Democrats in Congress to follow up with. That’s what the whistleblower laws are set up for. If there were to be a trial, it would happen in the Senate and the House would decide which witnesses would testify. At that point, the president, who would be the defendant, would have the opportunity to confront his accusers. We’re not at that stage yet.
We are not to supposed to have the president and other senior officials threatening (the whistleblowers). It’s way too early to think they will be star witnesses. They have fulfilled their patriotic duties by providing evidence to investigators. This is not a case where the whistleblowers’ credibility will determine the president’s fate. His actions will.
BBC World News: GMT with Lucy Hockings on October 8, 2019.
National Whistleblower Center Executive Director, John Kostyack, spoke with BBC World News’ Lucy Hockings on GMT about the intelligence community whistleblower and what it takes to be a whistleblower with the protections that are currently in place.
Los Angeles Times: “Unpatriotic? Whistleblowers are ‘as American as apple pie’” from Laura King on October 8, 2019.
“To truly protect whistleblowers, there’s a lot of unfinished business,” said David Colapinto, general counsel for the National Whistleblower Center.
Newsday: “Trump attacks on whistleblower pose major test for protection laws” from Laura Figueroa Hernandez on October 6, 2019.
In 2014, Congress approved new whistleblower protection statutes for U.S. intelligence officials that were meant to bolster safeguards for those who come forward with allegations of government fraud and corruption. But those provisions never accounted for the possibility of the president being the subject of a whistleblower complaint, said David Colapinto, an attorney and co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center in Washington.
On Sunday, Mark Zaid, an attorney for the whistleblower whose complaint triggered the Trump impeachment inquiry, said via Twitter that a second whistleblower had come forward with “first hand” information to “support” the information reported by the first whistleblower. Zaid reiterated that second official “made a protected disclosure under the law and cannot be retaliated against.”
“This is the real first big test in the public eye of the whistleblower statute for the intelligence community,” said Colapinto, who has represented whistleblowers for more than 30 years. “The president is in charge of ensuring that whistleblowers are not retaliated against … now we have a situation where a president is saying that the confidentiality should be exposed. That goes against the president’s duty to uphold the law under the whistleblower statute.”
Colapinto said any officials who aid Trump in revealing the identity of the whistleblower could face criminal penalties and possibly fines for violating the protective statutes.
“These are not without potential ramifications, and the fact that there are congressional impeachment proceedings going on, the federal obstruction of justice statutes could apply,” said Colapinto. “Anyone who gets involved in the orders to release this person’s identity against the law could face even more serious ramifications” that includes “potentially facing criminal charges and may spend time in jail.”
Washington Post: “Mounting evidence buttresses claims in whistleblower complaint” from Rosalind S. Helderman on October 5, 2019
Part of the strength of the whistleblower complaint is that the document carefully flags when its author was sharing information provided by others, as well as instances in which the whistleblower was sharing his suspicions rather than what he knew to be true, said David Colapinto, co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center.
“I think whoever the whistleblower is understood the seriousness of the allegations, understood that it involved the White House, understood that it would get a lot of attention and prepared it carefully with that in mind,” he said.
For instance, the whistleblower wrote that he learned all U.S. security assistance to Ukraine was suspended in July. The Washington Post reported last month that the unusual directive to hold back the $400 million in money appropriated by Congress came from Trump himself.
The whistleblower wrote that the delay in the foreign aid”might have a connection with the overall effort to pressure the Ukrainian leadership.”
But, he added carefully, “I do not know definitively.”
But Colapinto noted that it is not the job of the whistleblower to investigate or prove his own complaint. Under the law, a whistleblower need only be able to show he had a “reasonable belief” that a violation of law or regulation took place to receive protections from retaliation.
He said that training material about the whistleblower law for members of the intelligence community specifically includes examples where employees are told of wrongdoing by their a colleague. Employees are told they should flag the wrongdoing in such instances so it can be properly investigated.
“That’s how this is supposed to work,” he said. “The rules are supposed to encourage reporting.”
RSI: USA: “Proteggete il whistleblower” from Emiliano Bos on October 4, 2019.
“Proteggere questo informatore è di fondamentale importanza”. Non ha dubbi David Colapinto, avvocato e cofondatore del Centro nazionale per i whistleblower di Washington.
Garantire sicurezza al funzionario governativo che ha fatto avviare l’indagine dei democratici al Congresso per l’impeachment di Trump – dice in questa intervista – non significa “schierarsi pro o contro Trump, ma schierarsi dalla parte della legge”.
PBS NewsHour: “Whistleblower protection, explained” from Candice Norwood on October 2, 2019.
Contrary to Trump’s claims, the law does not require a whistleblower to present first-hand information, it only requires a reasonable belief of a violation, said David Colapinto, co-founder and general counsel for the National Whistleblower Center, an advocacy group.
USA Today: “How does Congress hear from anonymous witnesses? Trump whistleblower seeks protection from retaliation” from Bart Jansen on October 2, 2019.
Whistleblower advocates said the people reporting alleged wrongdoing need to be protected from retaliation to avoid discouraging them from stepping forward.
“It’s a concern,” said John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center. “They would only do this hearing if the attorneys for the whistleblower believed that they had a reliable commitment on the part of everyone in the room to keep it confidential.”
CNN: “The Lead with Jake Tapper” from CNN on October 1, 2019.
NWC Executive Director, John Kostyack, spoke with CNN’s Jessica Schneider in a brief segment about whistleblower protection laws in the United States and how it relates to the Intelligence Community whistleblower on The Lead with Jake Tapper.
When asked if the President can demand to know the identity of the whistleblower, John Kostyack said:
No, we have strong protections of whistleblowers in this country developed over many years with a bipartisan consensus.
Further, in regards to the notion that second-hand information is not permitted under intelligence community whistleblower protections John stated:
Protect this whistleblower. This whistleblower complied with the law. First- and second-hand knowledge are both welcome.
Telemundo: “Trump quiere saber quién hizo la denuncia en su conta por la trama ucraniana. La ley se lo impide” from Maria Peña on September 30, 2019.
En la actualidad, las empresas privadas que se cotizan en la Bolsa han establecido procesos para tramitar denuncias, con el objetivo de proteger del fraude a inversionistas y al público, según David Colapinto, abogado y fundador del “National Whistleblower Center”.
Además, “las amenazas de represalias por parte del presidente y de sus aliados contra un denunciante de la comunidad de inteligencia contravienen el ideal fundamental de nuestra nación respecto a la libertad de expresión”, dijo en una declaración escrita John Kostyack, director ejecutivo del “National Whistleblower Center”.
Washington Post: “As Trump lashes out at whistleblower, analysts fear law offers meager protection” from Matt Zapotosky and John Wagner on September 30, 2019.
“So what kind of protection is this whistleblower going to get through this system?” Said David K. Colapinto, the co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center. “But you got to understand that prior to 2015, there was nothing on the books. This is considered an advancement.”
If whistleblowers are fired, demoted or otherwise punished, they can now at least pursue internal remedies, though they cannot go to court, Colapinto said. Such cases, he said, “usually end poorly for the whistleblower.”
“From our point of view, protecting the whistleblower is of paramount importance, and this case is going to be a real test of these laws to see if they can make them work,” Colapinto said.
If the whistleblower’s identity was itself protected as a government secret, executive branch officials who disclosed it could be subject to criminal investigation for leaking national security information – not unlike when CIA officer Valerie Plame’s identity was disclosed publicly in the George W. Bush administration, legal analysts said.
If it were not, government officials who revealed it could be accused of violating the privacy act, Colapinto said. That is a misdemeanor crime that comes with a $5,000 fine, thought the officials could also be sued.
Colapinto said his firm pursued such a case when Defense Department officials were accused of disclosing information from the background investigation of Linda Tripp, who secretly recorded conversations with Monica Lewinsky, a former White House intern, about her sexual relationship with President Clinton. The government, Colapinto said, ultimately settled for $595,000.
NBC: “Fact check: Where whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?” from Jane C. Timm on September 30, 2019.
David Colapinto, an attorney with Kohn, Kohn, and Colapinto who represents whistleblowers, and who is a co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center, said whistleblowers need only have a “reasonable belief” that wrongdoing occurred. The claim that the Ukraine whistleblower hadn’t followed procedure or somehow shouldn’t be protected as a whistleblower was “ridiculous,” he said.
USA Today: “‘Horrific and chilling’: Whistleblower advocates complain as Trump tries to identify source of Ukraine complaint” from Bart Jansen and Kevin Johnson on September 30, 2019.
John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center, said “threats of reprisals by the president and his allies against the intelligence community whistleblower are contrary to our nation’s core ideal of freedom of speech.”
“If we want to know about lawbreaking, we need to gather evidence from the people who have it,” Kostyack said. “Any time we send a message that they are going to be punished, we are essentially discouraging people who have this evidence from stepping forward. We need them. We need whistleblowers.”
Kostyack urged members of both parties of Congress to affirm that the “whistleblower deserves the highest level of protection from retaliation, including the ability to maintain anonymity.”
MTV News: “Why Whistleblowers Are As American As The Declaration Of Independence” from Christianna Silva on September 30, 2019.
It’s true: David Colapinto, a lawyer and one of the founders of the National Whistleblower Center, told MTV News that whistleblowers risk losing their careers, damaging their reputations, and even “bodily harm.” Think of Snowden, the former CIA employeewho, in 2013, leaked classified information from the NSA that showed the extent of the global surveillance programs run by the American and British government. The U.S. government filed a criminal complaint against him, and he’s now living in asylum in Russia. And many people would consider Snowden lucky by whistleblower standards: Frank Serpico, a New York City police officer who confronted the corruption within the police department was shot in the face during a botched drug raid. He lived but left the U.S. a year after the 1971 attack.
So it should come as no surprise that today’s whistleblower wants to keep their identity a secret. Moreover, they have a right to keep their identity confidential, and unmasking who the whistleblower is is dangerous not only for the individual but also for the public perception of the case.
“This is going to become a very hot political issue in the United States, and people are going to be taking sides,” Colapinto told MTV News. “People are going to be charged up and there is a tactic that is often used in political fights of this nature: Shoot the messenger to distract, go on a smear campaign, those types of things to discredit a whistleblower, which has nothing to do with the merits of the case.”
“It serves to discredit [the whistleblower] and hopefully that people won’t take it seriously,” Colapinto said of such smear campaigns. “It’s really engaging in a campaign against the individual who is not equipped to play on the same level. It’s not a level playing field to have the operation of the White House working against an individual.”
“That actually helped in this case because you can’t say, OK, there’s no merit to what’s being said here,” Colapinto told MTV News. “This isn’t just something that somebody made up or is unfounded or is a wild accusation. This is a serious charge against the President and it is well-founded. So in that sense, the statute [helps] the whistleblower.”
USA Today: “Donald Trump: ‘We’re trying to find out’ the identity of whistleblower who made Ukraine complaint” from David Jackson on September 30, 2019
“We have a centuries-old bipartisan consensus that those with evidence of wrongdoing should be encouraged to step forward, not intimidated from doing so,” said John Kostyack, executive director of the National Whistleblower Center, a nonprofit group that promotes whistleblower protection laws.
Kostyack urged lawmakers from both parties “to affirm that this whistleblower deserves the highest level of protection from retaliation, including the ability to maintain anonymity.”
NPR 1A: “What’s the deal with whistleblowing?” on September 30, 2019
David Colapinto talked about what makes a whistleblower and what whistleblower laws apply to the intelligence community on the 1A podcast with Joshua Johnson.
“A whistleblower in the context of the federal government is someone who reports a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, an abuse of authority, gross waste, gross mismanagement, or a substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. And that is uniform across the federal government, that there is a statue that says it is the obligation of employees to report those types of things through particular channels.”
“[Whistleblowing] requires a reasonable belief on the part of the employee that there is a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or an abuse of authority…And it doesn’t need to be a super violation in order for it to be protected.”
PRI’s The World: “Who is responsible for enforcing the US whistleblower law? The President” on September 27, 2019
The World’s Marco Werman spoke to attorney David Colapinto of the National Whistleblower Center in Washington, DC, about the protections granted by the 1989 Whistleblower Protection Act and the whistleblower report about Trump.
“There are two phases to a whistleblower case,” Colapinto said. “We’re in the first phase, where the whistleblower has submitted his or her concerns and try to get them to the appropriate authorities. They’ve now gotten to Congress. That’s phase one. Phase two is if the whistleblower is identified and suffers retaliation by his or her agency, then phase two would kick in and they would have to file a complaint through the administrative process, depending upon where you work and who you report to.”
VICE News: “What the New York Times Outing a Whistleblower Tells Us About Trump’s Smear Campaign” from David Uberti on September 27, 2019
The central question, said David K. Colapinto, a longtime whistleblower lawyer and co-founder of the National Whistleblower Center, is why personal details leaked to the newspaper in the first place.
“I am more concerned about people in the government disclosing that information to potentially harass the whistleblower,” Colapinto said. “It’s obvious, given the president’s other comments, given what was said earlier this week, that that’s going to be the focus of the president’s defense: to shoot the messenger.”
…There was similar foul play in the leadup to Bill Clinton’s impeachment in 1998. Pentagon officials leaked to The New Yorker information from the private personnel file of Linda Tripp, a Monica Lewinsky confidant who secretly recorded her admission of an Oval Office affair.
Colapinto helped represent Tripp when she subsequently sued the Department of Defense for releasing the records. He told VICE News that Trump’s remarks Thursday at a New York fundraiser, where he appeared to advocate executing leakers to a laughing audience, suggests his administration could similarly violate the law intended to protect intelligence community whistleblowers.
“The president is in charge of enforcing that, and now he’s the one leading the charge trying to unmask the whistleblower, or making snide comments that his audience is laughing about,” said Colapinto, who’s also represented FBI whistleblowers. “It’s shocking behavior. Where do you start?”
CNN: “The whistleblowing process, explained” from Harmeet Kaur on September 27, 2019
Whistleblowers come forward out of a sense of duty, David Colapinto, co-founder and general counsel of the National Whistleblower Center, told CNN.
“It takes a lot for somebody like this whistleblower, who has presumably worked in the intelligence community for some time, to decide to take the risk of what might happen to his or her career to report concerns of this magnitude,” Colapinto said.
MSNBC: “Whistleblower Center director: Trump’s comments on whistleblower are ‘really disturbing'” on September 27, 2019
John Kostyack talked about the recent threats against the intelligence community whistleblower and the importance of protecting whistleblowers from reprisal with Chris Jansing.
The Guardian: “Donald Trump’s smears designed to silence would-be whistleblowers, experts warn” from Ed Pilkington on September 26, 2019
David Colapinto, a prominent whistleblower lawyer who co-founded the National Whistleblower Center, said that these internal provisions and the lack of any external safeguards were a strong disincentive to anyone thinking about coming forward. “The system inherently has a chilling effect because it requires potential whistleblowers to identify themselves to their seniors and that can be career suicide.”
Between 2012 and 2014, Barack Obama tried to stiffen protections across the federal government. But the reforms still left intelligence officials singularly exposed.
Unlike other branches of government, whistleblowers in intelligence fields cannot appeal against their treatment to the courts. In cases of retaliation, they have no recourse to independent outside arbiters but must seek the support of senior officials within the intelligence agencies who might be swayed by the political demands of their masters.
Colapinto said that Obama’s changes left would-be whistleblowers in the intelligence services still deeply vulnerable. Which is why, he said, Trump’s targeting of the current whistleblower was so cynical.
“This treatment is a completely inappropriate way to deal with a whistleblower,” he said. “It will lead to demoralization, a sense of hopelessness that you cannot blow the whistle on people who are too powerful – and it will set a terrible precedent that can only encourage further misconduct from those in high office.”
NPR: “‘Whistleblowing Is Really In Our DNA’: A History Of Reporting Wrongdoing” from Brian Naylor on September 25th, 2019
Whistleblowers have been reporting wrongdoing in government institutions ever since. But it has always been a risk, says attorney David Colapinto. “Whistleblowing is a career-limiting phenomenon in the federal workforce,” he says. “That’s why a lot of people don’t do it.”
Colapinto, a founder of the National Whistleblower Center, says the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act allows workers to report wrongdoing they see in their agencies directly to members of Congress. But there are different rules for people who work in national security. “If you work in the intelligence community you must bring your concern to the inspector general before you can go to Congress,” he says. But an employee at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, for example, “can go right to [their] member of Congress or the committee that has jurisdiction over housing” and report their concerns. “Those are two major differences, as we’re seeing play out,” Colapinto says.
The whistleblower who reportedly became concerned about conversations President Trump had with the president of Ukraine went through proper channels and reported his or her concerns to the intelligence community’s inspector general, says Colapinto. The IG deemed it an “urgent concern” and reported it to acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, who is under law supposed to submit it to Congress. However, he has so far refused.
C-SPAN: “David Colapinto on Whistleblower Laws and the Intelligence Community” on September 24th, 2019
David Colapinto talked about whistleblower laws that apply to the intelligence community on C-SPAN’s National Journal morning show with John McArdle.
The Atlantic: “The Problem With the Whistle-Blower System” from Mike Giglio on September 21, 2019
“It’s one of the biggest frustrations—that the people you’re blowing the whistle on have so much say over this,” David Colapinto, a founder and general counsel of the National Whistleblower Center, told me.
If there is a case of reprisals against the whistle-blower by superiors, meanwhile, then the case is decided by the DNI. Such cases are full of legal and administrative hurdles and can take years to play out. “So the very agency that is being accused of the misconduct sits as the prosecutor, judge, and jury, so to speak, on the whistle-blower’s retaliation case,” Colapinto said.
Advocates and lawyers have in the past raised two potential remedies to this problem: Create a legally protected channel for whistle-blowers to go to Congress on their own, or a way to let their complaints reach federal court. Neither has been adopted into law, however.
The recent complaint, Colapinto told me, shows why the congressional outlet for whistle-blowers is so important. Ideally, he said, their complaints could be brought directly to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, whose members hold security clearances and are well versed in dealing with classified material. “They are perfectly … capable of handling classified information. That’s how they’re set up,” he said. “They do it all the time.”
He added: “[Whistle-blowers] shouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops. And now we’re seeing the abuses of that process playing out.”
Washington Post: “Trump’s rhetoric will have a chilling effect on whistleblowing, legal experts say” from Reis Thebault on September 20, 2019
Legal protections for government employees seeking to report wrongdoing date back more than 240 years to the Continental Congress, and they’ve been rewritten many times since. But these revisions still do not go far enough to protect employees’ rights, said David Colapinto, the general counsel at the nonprofit National Whistleblower Center.
Today, the Whistleblower Protection Act and the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act are the primary statutes outlining public employees’ rights to speak out about misconduct.
All government employees can safely disclose violations of laws or regulations, waste or mismanagement, abuse of authority and dangers to public health and safety, but how you can report that depends on where you work.
If you work in the intelligence community, where the information at hand is usually sensitive or secret, your rights are more limited, Colapinto said. You can blow the whistle up the chain of command and to your agency’s inspector general, but you’re rarely permitted to go beyond that.
The only exception is if an official lodges a complaint and the inspector general of the intelligence community determines it to be credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of “urgent concern” — which happened with the grievance about Trump’s communication with a foreign leader, believed to be the new president of Ukraine. That ruling is supposed to trigger notification of congressional oversight committees.
But in this case, acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share details about Trump’s alleged transgression with lawmakers. Colapinto called this move unprecedented and said it could further erode trust in the intelligence community.
“The system of whistleblowing will fail in the intelligence community if that complaint is not transmitted to Congress,” he said. “To have a whistleblower complaint verified as credible and urgent and not end up where it’s supposed to go would be the worst possible outcome. There would be a crisis in confidence in the intelligence community.”
NPR: “Whistleblower Complaint, Student Climate Protests, Catastrophic Texas Flooding ” from NPR Up First on September 20, 2019
Stephen Kohn spoke on NPR’s UpFirst about the procedure of whistleblowing within the intelligence community and the ramifications of not following those procedures.
The National Law Journal: “US House Weighs Lawsuit Forcing Disclosure of Mystery Whistleblower Complaint” from Jacqueline Thomsen on September 19, 2019
David Colapinto, general counsel for The National Whistleblower Center, said that going to court could be a risky move for the House, as it’s unclear exactly how long the litigation could take—or if a judge would even rule in their favor.
He said that issues like who can have access to allegedly privileged information could raise tricky legal questions that ultimately could make their way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
“You don’t get to the Supreme Court in a week or a month,” Colapinto said. “This statute says, this is the process to communicate an urgent whistleblower concern. We’re already over a month in. So how long does it take for a whistleblower to communicate an urgent concern to Congress?”